[La-cgs] Update on AI Usage case
B. Ramu Ramachandran
ramu at coes.latech.edu
Thu May 2 22:11:42 CDT 2024
Carolyn:
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We look forward to meeting you. We usually hold a Zoom meeting in the
Fall (we tentatively decided on October 18, 12:00 - 4:00 PM) and a
face-to-face meeting in Spring (TBD).
Best regards,
Ramu
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On 5/2/2024 4:46 PM, Carolyn Jackson wrote:
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> *From:* Obadiah Simmons <simmonsoj at gram.edu>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 2, 2024 4:34 PM
> *To:* Louisiana Council of Graduate Schools <la-cgs at lists.latech.edu>
> *Cc:* Carolyn Jackson <jacksoncr at gram.edu>; Menon, Sanjay
> <sanjay.menon at lsus.edu>; Ramu Ramachandran <ramu at coes.latech.edu>;
> Nancy Biggio <nbiggio at uno.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [La-cgs] Update on AI Usage case
> Colleagues:
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> Please welcome my colleague *Dr. Carolyn M. Jackson* who will "now" be
> serving as the *Interim Executive Director* for the *Office of
> Graduate Studies* (*OGS*) here at GSU. Recent administrative changes
> have taken place here at GSU; I have been asked to /assume/resume
> leadership/ for GSU's College of Education (COE) with the recent
> resignation of our former Dean effective May 1^st . I'll allow Dr.
> Jackson to provide you with her contact information at GSU.
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> I've also shared with Dr. Jackson that */LA Council of Graduate Deans
> /*is a very /congenial/,/ hardworking/ and *committed *group of
> "*professionals*" that I've enjoyed meeting and working with. (*And
> Ramu* ... I *echo the sentiments expressed by my colleagues on serving
> as a most gracious host for our recent spring meeting at LA Tech;
> thank you*.)
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> I trust that each of you will experience a very successful
> /end-of-(spring) semester/term/. Take care!
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> Obadiah
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> *From:* La-cgs <la-cgs-bounces at lists.latech.edu> on behalf of B. Ramu
> Ramachandran <ramu at coes.latech.edu>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 2, 2024 4:03 PM
> *To:* Louisiana Council of Graduate Schools <la-cgs at lists.latech.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [La-cgs] Update on AI Usage case
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> Thank you Sanjay.
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> I continue to be astounded by the lack of attention displayed by some
> who use AI for writing. See the first sentence of the Introduction to
> a scientific paper (p. 2 of the attachment)! This is in the
> neighborhood of some of my research interests (lithium ion batteries)
> but it took a Reddit scandal for me to become aware of the paper. Even
> if a graduate student generated that paragraph, the corresponding
> author, Yangai Liu, should have at least read the first sentence of
> his own paper. This also shows how ridiculously superficial some
> peer-reviews might be -- this paper actually got published!!!
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> Best regards,
> Ramu
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>>
>> On 5/2/2024 3:15:30 PM, Menon, Sanjay <sanjay.menon at lsus.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jason! It is nice that you have a policy in place that
>> provides a basis for individual faculty syllabus policies.
>>
>> Ramu: Here’s what I tried out this semester (in addition to the
>> standard plagiarism policy which is to refer this to the conduct
>> board or the Community Standards Board as it is now called):
>>
>>
>> POLICY ON AI TOOLS:
>>
>> Students who use generative AI or other machine learning tools to
>> create submitted work do so at their own risk. While students are
>> free to use AI tools for initial information gathering, generating
>> ideas, or checking grammar, any submitted work will be subject to the
>> above plagiarism policy. AI tools with similar prompts often produce
>> similar results, and any similarity with another student’s submitted
>> work could result in a Code of Conduct inquiry. Just as you would
>> cite sources, if you do use AI to create any portion of your
>> submitted work, you would need to acknowledge the same in both the
>> text and in the list of sources.
>>
>> When you submit something for a grade, you are responsible for it.
>> You are in effect stating that it is your own work. So, if you submit
>> AI created content as your own work, you should expect the plagiarism
>> policy to apply, with AI tool usage considered as unauthorized
>> assistance from others.
>>
>> Penalties for AI use in submitted work (postings and assignments)
>> flagged by tools such as Turnitin are as follows:
>>
>> a. Allowable usage - 15%. No penalties
>>
>> b. Usage from 16% to 25%- Any section that has been flagged could get
>> zero credit.
>>
>> c. Usage from 25% to 49% - Any section that has been flagged could
>> get zero credit plus an additional 10-point penalty.
>>
>> d. Usage of 50% and above – Possibly no credit for entire
>> assignment. This could be investigated by the Student Accountability
>> office, leading to additional penalties and consequences.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sanjay
>>
>> *From:*Bodily, Jason <jason.bodily at lsuhs.edu>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 2, 2024 2:55 PM
>> *To:* B. Ramu Ramachandran <ramu at coes.latech.edu>; Menon, Sanjay
>> <Sanjay.Menon at lsus.edu>; Louisiana Council of Graduate Schools
>> <la-cgs at lists.latech.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [La-cgs] Update on AI Usage case
>>
>> Here is a syllabus using one of several examples of syllabus
>> language. Here is a useful site that collects some examples of
>> language to use in syllabi:
>>
>> https://ctl.utexas.edu/chatgpt-and-generative-ai-tools-sample-syllabus-policy-statements#:~:text=Regarding%20the%20potential%20use%20of%20generative%20AI%20tools%2C,credited%20to%20that%20system%20falls%20under%20that%20policy
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ctl.utexas.edu/chatgpt-and-generative-ai-tools-sample-syllabus-policy-statements*:*:text=Regarding*20the*20potential*20use*20of*20generative*20AI*20tools*2C,credited*20to*20that*20system*20falls*20under*20that*20policy__;I34lJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!NGa5sw!fpDPIONxxq0s0WnkXNFAlplNFvjeaogiPih8L50LasnhoFtccweuHFYPmltxoi2Szl9cE4t7vQHCBEeBgLI$>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* B. Ramu Ramachandran <ramu at coes.latech.edu>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 2, 2024 2:48 PM
>> *To:* Sanjay Menon <sanjay.menon at lsus.edu>; Bodily, Jason
>> <jason.bodily at lsuhs.edu>; B. Ramu Ramachandran
>> <ramu at coes.latech.edu>; Louisiana Council of Graduate Schools
>> <la-cgs at lists.latech.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [La-cgs] Update on AI Usage case
>>
>>
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>> If anyone is willing to share, please send me examples of course
>> policies regarding AI use incorporated into syllabi.
>>
>> -Ramu
>>
>> On 5/2/2024 2:14:16 PM, Menon, Sanjay <sanjay.menon at lsus.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I raised the topic at our Dean’s Council earlier today. Looks
>> like the topic is already on senior administration’s radar from
>> the undergrad side and they are planning to invite experts to
>> come and talk to faculty about course (and assessment) redesign
>> incorporating AI.
>>
>> Sanjay
>>
>> *From:* Bodily, Jason <jason.bodily at lsuhs.edu>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 1, 2024 12:35 PM
>> *To:* B. Ramu Ramachandran <ramu at coes.latech.edu>; Menon, Sanjay
>> <Sanjay.Menon at lsus.edu>; Louisiana Council of Graduate Schools
>> <la-cgs at lists.latech.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [La-cgs] Update on AI Usage case
>>
>> Beautiful. Thanks
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* La-cgs <la-cgs-bounces at lists.latech.edu> on behalf of B.
>> Ramu Ramachandran <ramu at coes.latech.edu>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 1, 2024 11:52 AM
>> *To:* Sanjay Menon <sanjay.menon at lsus.edu>; Louisiana Council of
>> Graduate Schools <la-cgs at lists.latech.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [La-cgs] Update on AI Usage case
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Sanjay:
>>
>> Thank you for this info. I agree that "all of the above stems
>> from considering AI usage as an impediment to learning." We need
>> to look at generative AI based on large language models as the
>> "calculator for writing." My view on AI usage may be stilted
>> because of my discipline -- most scientists suck at writing and
>> so any tool that helps one express their ideas clearly
>> (spell-check, grammar check, AI) is always welcome. The trick is
>> to know enough about the subject to recognize where AI goes off
>> the rails -- like a pilot who knows when to take over from the
>> autopilot.
>>
>> Speaking of going off the rails, I am attaching an example that a
>> colleague shared. The blue highlights denote AI-generated text
>> (More than 80% of this report was AI-generated). Note the first
>> sentence of the "Theory" section where Ohm's Law is applied to a
>> vibrating string. Wow! This student did not learn enough physics
>> to recognize that Ohm's law relates voltage, current, and
>> resistance in a conductor, and has nothing to do with tension,
>> mass, and wave propagation in a string!
>>
>> Another problem -- the symbols for density and speed did not copy
>> over from the AI window to MS Word. The student was clearly too
>> unengaged to notice that! Notice Eq. 1-1 where there are no
>> symbols -- not even the tenstion T!!!
>>
>> I believe Jason had asked for examples of where AI goes wrong --
>> here is one! In the hands of a careless user, even the best AI is
>> only of limited value 😂
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ramu
>>
>> On 5/1/2024 10:46:15 AM, Menon, Sanjay
>> <sanjay.menon at lsus.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Some of you might recall, that during the AI discussion I had
>> mentioned submitted student work with Turnitin AI scores of
>> over 50%. I spoke to our Dean of Students who confirmed that
>> Conduct Board complaints based on AI usage is on the rise.
>> Here are some other points she mentioned that may be of
>> interest to this group:
>>
>> 1. It appears that a high Turnitin AI usage score by itself
>> may not be sufficient to prove AI usage. Unlike
>> traditional Turntin reports that provide sources that can
>> be verified, the same is not possible for AI outputs that
>> are generative.
>> 2. The board is now asking faculty/students to provide
>> writing samples for comparison. This may not be of much
>> help in 100% online classes where the writing sample
>> could also be AI generated.
>> 3. There is an increase in “confessions”. More students are
>> admitting AI usage when confronted with the AI usage
>> score. This raises an equity issue as those who deny
>> usage are more likely to get away with it if AI use was
>> prohibited by the professor in the syllabus.
>> 4. Professors’ policies on AI usage widely varies across
>> campus with varying degrees of AI usage allowed.
>> Students can claim confusion when taking multiple classes
>> with varying AI policies.
>>
>> As I mentioned during our session, all of the above stems
>> from considering AI usage as an impediment to learning. If
>> we were to adopt the approach of “AI as an aid to learning”
>> or “AI usage as a required skill”, then we would need to
>> rethink and reorient our teaching and evaluation methods,
>> including for our thesis/dissertation students. You might
>> recall our discussion on the value of doing a literature
>> review using AI, or having AI generate code in a programming
>> class.
>>
>> As this issue is unlikely to be resolved anytime soon, I
>> suggest we have it as an agenda item for future meeting.
>>
>> Sanjay
>>
>> Sanjay T. Menon, Ph. D.
>>
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>>
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