[La-cgs] Concurrent enrollment policy

[Carol M Wicks]

Good morning,

LSU A&M has policies that involve undergraduates taking graduate-level course work.  The overarching statement is:
Graduate Credit and Baccalaureate Degrees
Graduate credit courses cannot be used to satisfy any undergraduate degree requirements, including electives. The only exception to this rule is when a student enrolls in a combined curriculum program in which the faculty has approved graduate credit courses fulfilling undergraduate degree requirements.

Then there are the following ---
Graduate credit for LSU Seniors. A senior at LSU who needs fewer than 15 semester hours to complete requirements for the bachelor's degree, who has maintained a GPA of at least a 3.00 during the preceding year at LSU, and who has a cumulative GPA of at least 2.75 may be permitted to register for graduate credit in courses numbered 4000-4999, provided the student registers for all the remaining courses required for graduation and for no more than 15 semester hours total. This privilege applies only during the final semester of the student's undergraduate work and is extended only upon recommendation of the chair of the department in which the student plans to enroll as a graduate student, the dean of the student's college, and approval of the dean of The Graduate School. The requested signatures of approval should be submitted on a form designed specifically for this program. This form must be submitted to The Graduate School by the last day to add classes in the semester in which graduate credit is desired. A student must complete all undergraduate degree credit courses in order to retain the privilege of obtaining graduate credit for the remaining courses.

This one is restrictive in terms of which students are eligible, but it is not all that restrictive in terms of GPA.

AND
Accelerated Master's Degree Program
The accelerated master's program is open to superior undergraduate students who have completed at least 60 semester hours of credit (including AP credit) with a grade point average of at least 3.50 for all work taken at LSU. To be eligible, transfer students must have a 3.50 average on all undergraduate work taken prior to attending LSU and must complete at least one semester at LSU with a 3.50 GPA.
Acceptance into the accelerated program requires approval from the following: (1) chair of the undergraduate department in which the student is enrolled; (2) dean of the college in which the student is enrolled; (3) chair of the department or the coordinator of the interdisciplinary program in which the student proposes to work toward the master's degree; and (4) Vice Provost & Dean of the Graduate School. The requested approvals will be given as signatures on a form designed specifically for this program. It is the responsibility of the chair or coordinator of the graduate program to appoint the student's graduate faculty advisory committee.
Other admission requirements for graduate study, such as the GRE and the GMAT, will be waived until the student receives the baccalaureate degree and is ready to enter the Graduate School. Until that time, admission into the accelerated program will constitute provisional admission to the graduate program. Students will register as graduate students only after receiving the baccalaureate degree and satisfying departmental and the Graduate School admission requirements.
Continuing eligibility for the accelerated master's program will require maintenance of a 3.50 average in all courses that apply to the undergraduate degree and a 3.00 average for all graduate coursework.
Students who wish to obtain a master's degree under this program must meet all academic and residence requirements set by the Graduate School and the department concerned. Requirements for the baccalaureate degree will not be affected.
Students may take a maximum of half of the required hours for the master's degree while enrolled as undergraduates. These hours may be applied toward the master's degree, provided a GPA of 3.00 in graduate coursework is maintained and provided none of these hours apply toward the baccalaureate degree.
A student may wish to apply some graduate coursework toward the undergraduate degree. In such instances, the graduate committee can alter the distribution of coursework and independent study required for the master's degree. No course credit can be applied toward more than one degree.
This is one is restrictive in terms of which students are eligible and in terms of GPA.

AND

Programs like the dual degree BA-Law program, etc.  Those programs have to gain approval from all entities on campus and also through the BoR approval process.  Which courses and how many credit hours along with GPA requirements are clearly stated in each individual "Dual degree program" request.  For the BA-Law degrees, those students have to meet the Law School Graduate Admission criteria.

Carol M. Wicks

Associate Dean of the Graduate School
Frank W and Patricia Harrison Family Professor in Geology & Geophysics

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From: La-cgs <la-cgs-bounces at lists.latech.edu> On Behalf Of ramu
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 7:16 PM
To: Mary J Farmer-Kaiser <mary.farmer-kaiser at louisiana.edu>; Sushma Krishnamurthy <krishnamurthy at ulm.edu>; Ramu Ramachandran <ramu at coes.latech.edu>; Louisiana Council of Graduate Schools <la-cgs at lists.latech.edu>
Subject: Re: [La-cgs] Concurrent enrollment policy

Mary:

Good to hear from you. Yes, that's the one. Sushma sent a follow up email stating that she meant GPA, not GA.

Ramu

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From: Mary J Farmer-Kaiser <mary.farmer-kaiser at louisiana.edu<mailto:mary.farmer-kaiser at louisiana.edu>>
Date: 1/4/22 2:56 AM (GMT+05:30)
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Subject: Re: [La-cgs] Concurrent enrollment policy

Ramu and all,

I like the idea of adding the ability to use either "a minimum cumulative undergraduate GPA of 3.2" or a higher GPA on the last 60 hours, but I do want to make sure that I understand which policy you're talking about.

Could you confirm that you're talking about the "Graduating Seniors -- Concurrent Baccalaureate and Master's Program Enrollment" policy as attached? Sushma references GA requirements, and so I just want to be certain.

I suggest a higher last-60-hours GPA above because it seems to me that the last 60 hours is likely in the major, likely in the graduate degree area that they're seeking admission, and long after their "rocky start."

Mary


Mary Farmer-Kaiser, PhD

Professor of History

Dean of the Graduate School

University of Louisiana at Lafayette

337-482-6965

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Subject: Re: [La-cgs] Concurrent enrollment policy

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Happy New year all! I hope 2022 is kind to everyone.
Ramu, I am on board with you about changing the GA requirements. Like you mentioned, there are students who are off to a rocky start before hitting their stride.
Regards,
Sushma

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Dear friends:

Another question for you all related to concurrent enrollment -- the UL
System requires an overall GPA of 3.2 on ALL undergrad coursework to
qualify. Does the Southern and LSU system have similar rules?

Question to ULS colleagues: How do you all feel about asking for a
modification of the ULS policy to say something like "Overall GPA of 3.2
or an average of 3.2 on the last 60 hours"? Not everyone is a stellar
student all the way through, and I do know a few very good students who
had a rather rocky start for various reasons and cannot qualify for
concurrent enrollment as a result.

Best regards,
Ramu

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