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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I raised the topic at our Dean’s Council earlier today. Looks like the topic is already on senior administration’s radar from the undergrad side and they are planning to invite experts
to come and talk to faculty about course (and assessment) redesign incorporating AI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Sanjay<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bodily, Jason <jason.bodily@lsuhs.edu>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 1, 2024 12:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> B. Ramu Ramachandran <ramu@coes.latech.edu>; Menon, Sanjay <Sanjay.Menon@lsus.edu>; Louisiana Council of Graduate Schools <la-cgs@lists.latech.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [La-cgs] Update on AI Usage case<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Beautiful. Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> La-cgs <<a href="mailto:la-cgs-bounces@lists.latech.edu">la-cgs-bounces@lists.latech.edu</a>>
on behalf of B. Ramu Ramachandran <<a href="mailto:ramu@coes.latech.edu">ramu@coes.latech.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 1, 2024 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sanjay Menon <<a href="mailto:sanjay.menon@lsus.edu">sanjay.menon@lsus.edu</a>>; Louisiana Council of Graduate Schools <<a href="mailto:la-cgs@lists.latech.edu">la-cgs@lists.latech.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [La-cgs] Update on AI Usage case</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sanjay:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you for this info. I agree that "all of the above stems from considering AI usage as an impediment to learning." We need to look at generative AI based on large language models
as the "calculator for writing." My view on AI usage may be stilted because of my discipline -- most scientists suck at writing and so any tool that helps one express their ideas clearly (spell-check, grammar check, AI) is always welcome. The trick is to know
enough about the subject to recognize where AI goes off the rails -- like a pilot who knows when to take over from the autopilot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Speaking of going off the rails, I am attaching an example that a colleague shared. The blue highlights denote AI-generated text (More than 80% of this report was AI-generated). Note
the first sentence of the "Theory" section where Ohm's Law is applied to a vibrating string. Wow! This student did not learn enough physics to recognize that Ohm's law relates voltage, current, and resistance in a conductor, and has nothing to do with tension,
mass, and wave propagation in a string!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Another problem -- the symbols for density and speed did not copy over from the AI window to MS Word. The student was clearly too unengaged to notice that! Notice Eq. 1-1 where there
are no symbols -- not even the tenstion T!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I believe Jason had asked for examples of where AI goes wrong -- here is one! In the hands of a careless user, even the best AI is only of limited value
</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;color:black">😂</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#AAAAAA">On 5/1/2024 10:46:15 AM, Menon, Sanjay <<a href="mailto:sanjay.menon@lsus.edu">sanjay.menon@lsus.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black">Hi all,</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black">Some of you might recall, that during the AI discussion I had mentioned submitted student work with Turnitin AI scores of over 50%. I spoke to our Dean of Students who confirmed
that Conduct Board complaints based on AI usage is on the rise. Here are some other points she mentioned that may be of interest to this group:</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif">It appears that a high Turnitin AI usage score by itself may not be sufficient to prove AI usage. Unlike traditional Turntin reports
that provide sources that can be verified, the same is not possible for AI outputs that are generative.
</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif">The board is now asking faculty/students to provide writing samples for comparison. This may not be of much help in 100% online classes
where the writing sample could also be AI generated.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif">There is an increase in “confessions”. More students are admitting AI usage when confronted with the AI usage score. This raises an
equity issue as those who deny usage are more likely to get away with it if AI use was prohibited by the professor in the syllabus.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="xmsolistparagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif">Professors’ policies on AI usage widely varies across campus with varying degrees of AI usage allowed. Students can claim confusion
when taking multiple classes with varying AI policies.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black">As I mentioned during our session, all of the above stems from considering AI usage as an impediment to learning. If we were to adopt the approach of “AI as an aid to learning”
or “AI usage as a required skill”, then we would need to rethink and reorient our teaching and evaluation methods, including for our thesis/dissertation students. You might recall our discussion on the value of doing a literature review using AI, or having
AI generate code in a programming class.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black">As this issue is unlikely to be resolved anytime soon, I suggest we have it as an agenda item for future meeting. </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black">Sanjay
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7030A0">Sanjay T. Menon, Ph. D.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7030A0">Dean of Graduate Studies</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7030A0">Professor of Management
</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7030A0">Director of India Studies</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#461D7C">Louisiana State University Shreveport</span></i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#461D7C">Office: (318) 797-5247 Fax: (318) 798-4120</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#461D7C"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/sanjaytmenon"><span style="color:#0563C1">www.linkedin.com/in/sanjaytmenon</span></a>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#461D7C">One University Place</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#461D7C">Shreveport, Louisiana 71115</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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